Subject: [Shanghai] Lockdown, raids [Update]
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[Shanghai] Lockdown, raids [Update]

Here is a sumup and update on the situation in Shanghai (no RA lock on it as everyone should be aware of the situation for their own safety)

What has been going on?


Sauna raids & closure - Mid August
Since the 2nd week of August, Shanghai has been under multiple raids.
Saunas have been raided and shut down in Changning district, Yangpu district and the more vocal event was the sauna below the Shanghai Stadium and another just in the near area being also raided and shut down despite very high level guanxi.

Pics from the raid:
http://slide.news.sina.com.cn/s/slide_1_2841_196977.html

http://sh.eastday.com/m/20170811/u1ai10780103.html

As for local MPs the "naughty" ones got told to close. If you go to Changning and many other districts, they even got a police sticker sealing the doors...

Mongering is not the only activity being targeted, money games/improvised casino are being raided as well. 100s of people ended up in prison.

SNG Shanghai Night Life guide Escort Website & hotels raid - Mid/End September

SNG was a website ran by a german guy (whom it is said took 20% cut from the girls) and his chinese assistant (whom took another 10% cut from the girls).

According to a customer who spent 10 days in prison, Police had been tracking the wechat from SNG since mid september.
They had been following the activity from the site wechat (held by the chinese assistant) and following 1 or several chinese escorts while they were visiting their customers.
It is said some foreigners were arrested 2 weeks after the deed, the police looking at hotel security tapes and length of time spent by the girl in the room.

People caught spent 24 hours at the police station before being issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" with just 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location.
Consulates were also contacted within the first 3 or 5 days. While the foreigners detained didn't get their visa canceled, the people who spent time in prison still had to account for those 10-15 days missing from work/home.

Manathan Bar raided - late hours of the 28th of October

The bar was raided in the night of saturday to sunday.
Dozens of girls were arrested and apparently later released.
It is said they bar was still closed on Sunday (but Judy Bar a few meters away was reported still open but with little to no action).
(see the picture below taken and shared by someone who was caught Source: ISG)


Why is this going on?

There are various reasons stated for why this is going on. Hard to say which reason in particular is behind this but:

1/ Reason n°1 the "baidu map scandal"
Like the Donguan events (which were trailed by a CCTV documentary) the Shanghai shut down was activated by a media follow up on "Baidu Map sex sauna/mp advertising scandal".
A good reading: https://www.xcnnews.com/rd/196987.html (google translate if you can't read chinese)

On a side note you can see another good article about how Minhang shut down most of the redlight activities the past months in their district here: http://shanghai.xinmin.cn/msrx/2017/02/26/30865809.html
And the same techniques are being used now on a Shanghai wide basis...

2/ Reason n°2 to explain why the Shanghai Stadium sauna was aimed in particular is that they wanted to renovate the area and there were money issues
http://www.shanghaidaily.com/met ... venue/shdaily.shtml

3/ Reason n°3 there was a police chief change / local government change

4/ Last but not the least, there is the 19th congress of the PCC starting on October 18th. They will appoint members of the politburo.
And as you may know Donguan was shut down because people close to Zhou Yang Kang / JiangZemin had used the money they made in the oil industry to invest in Donguan hotels and XXX venues.
Is this another way to dry the Shanghai Gang from its cash source, or is it the Shanghai Gang making sure they won't get caught during this special event, ruining their dreams of getting promoted to the politbureau?

Noone really knows. The seriousness of these raids though does tend to make you think it is coordinated by Shanghai itself.


What can we do?

1/ Rest
2/ Take away to 5 star hotel rooms is still the safest option if you want action. Either independant whom gave you their contact before, or hotel inhouse MPs which are usually shut down but do room delivery.
3/ Some MPs have reopened (some in Hongkou, Jing'an, some in Putuo, some in Minhang from various readings on chinese/english boards).
It doesn't mean that they are safe to go to.

Some Sauna are meant to have relocated in Kunshan and Nanjing.



How long will it last?

Hard to say. Many people said it would last till end of August, then end of September.
It was likely to last at least till end of October due to the 19th congress... but it is still going on... although easing a bit on some MPs in some districts.

Considering Han Zheng chief of PCC of Shanghai (and former member of the Jiang Zemin shanghai gang) was promoted number 4 of the China Gov, it is likely they will soon organise new elections to appoint a new leader for the PCC in Shanghai. Maybe they are waiting for after this event to release the pressure.

Again noone really knows.

Note that the advertising flags on the light poles are still showing the Chinese flag, so I guess "official times" are not over yet...
Also note normal MPs in some district still have restrictions (can't shower in some districts, can't do oil massage in other districts, no doors in xuhui district which has the tightest rules right now).
If these restrictions ease on legit mps, its likely other less legit mps will see an ease too...

[ Last edited by  sinofaguo at 30-10-2017 21:53 ]


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Reply #1 sinofaguo's post

Is Manhattan now closed or not? And 5*hotels are safe to bring girl?!
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Stick to the law in the PRC. Nothing is safe if you don't. Like everywhere else.
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by Lando123 at 31-10-2017 01:09
Is Manhattan now closed or not? And 5*hotels are safe to bring girl?!

Yes Manhattan has been closed for the past 3 days according to various reports on other boards.

5 Star hotels or personal home is the safest to bring independant girls if you have their contacts.
Safest does not mean safe, nothing is safe... but it is still less likely to cause drama.
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I am wondering if these situations in the mainland, would it make girls flock to Macau where saunas are still thriving (albeit, on the decline)..?

It's been said that 1st class girls stay in mainland, 2nd class girls go to HK/Macau, and 3rd class girls go to overseas.

In my experience, I have sampled 3rd class and 2nd class girls, but I have been wondering about where to find 1st class girls outside of mainland..
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How did they catch foreigners after the fact? I've actually used SNG a while back. Gulp.
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by Zbf246 at 31-10-2017 10:48
How did they catch foreigners after the fact? I've actually used SNG a while back. Gulp.

I previously posted this on SNG and lost all my karma pts.  


Sadly and unfortunately, Chinese Police can follow your wechat or used cell phone information.

I just copied this from another site and I am not the original poster.



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Alright boys, I was one of the fellows that fell into the mess at the end of August, using sng. Everyone that was caught that night had contacted the girls via Judy within at least the last TWO weeks. Steve and Judy were both caught. From what I know they got to Judy first and used her wechat to find some of us. Also a couple of the girls were being trailed by LE for at least two weeks. The order for these busts came from up high, beyond the police chief of shanghai. Bribes did not work, one person claimed to of tried a 100 k rmb bribe.

Once caught we were detained for 24 hours then issued a 10-15 day "Administrative Detention" only 1 call allowed prior being sent to detention location where embassies were contacted in around 3-5 days, no other outside contact beyond that. While there more shanghai locals came in, we were the only foreigners. During the 8th or 9th day, rumors of more raids came in from spas, MP, and saunas, a total of 80-100 detained.

The Administrative detention is considered a slap on the wrist and as far as I know will not impact employment directly unless your employer has connections and decide to dig deep but you will have to explain going missing for 10-15 days. 2 were let go with a 500 rmb fine, I do not know the reasons why.

As far as I know the raids might go on for a bit longer and might extend into November. If you contacted Judy in the last month I suggest staying away from shanghai, at least 2 foreigners were brought in and detained TWO weeks after the fact. They will go to your hotel to pick you up and look up hotel security cameras for proof of girls entering and leaving your room.

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It is far from getting back to normal, if it ever will, and wouldn't be that early anyway,  but some saunas are reopening(exemple in pics) or plan to while other saunas agents still have outcall/incall  services, or saunas in Kunshan, Nanjing.

Those saunas who are opening either are well connected or they just willing to take the risk.


I've notice some saunas qq group chat room getting unmuted.
Some say It's getting better some say it is not.

Sauna sections of chinese forum are still empty from advertising and reports. ( i would worry to go back to saunas before this resumes as it was before)

Apparently there were few saunas raids in Jiangsu province.

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R.I.P. Manhattan, I don't understand how and why they close a bar???!!!! It's just seeing and being seen, talking etc. What happens after is not bars guilt.

Strange country this china ....
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The Manathan shutdown this weekend seems to have likely been because we have a valued guest visiting our town today. Or should I say HIS town.

"Most of Xintiandi's south block has been shut down until around 1 pm today for "electrical maintenance. " Most of the office buildings in the complex have also been given a day off (eeyyy), and some shops might remain closed throughout the day. But at least the restaurants should be open again in time for a late lunch. Just keep that in mind if you're planning to stop by.

You may also have noticed heightened security on the metro and a lot more traffic today. We can only speculate which recently feted head of state is visiting our fair city to warrant such disruption to our lunch plans. ".

http://www.smartshanghai.com/wir ... ctrical-maintenance

And yes Xijinping was seen walking the streets of Xintiandi.

Now with the mayor and party chiefs being his former assistants, he has finally taken controle of this nice city from the Jiang Zemin gang.

Lets hope this trip marks the end of the Shanghai siege!

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Do you think Manhattan will open again soon?! I mean it's only a bar, no Sauna or spa.

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Trump will have his asia trip from 3rd to 14th of Nov I believe.
I think China is on the 8-9th of Nov.

Lets hope situation will be better in Shanghai after that (even if he only goes to Beijing there will prolly be some delegation meetings in Shanghai away from the summit).
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QUOTE:
Originally posted by Zbf246 at 31-10-2017 10:48
How did they catch foreigners after the fact? I've actually used SNG a while back. Gulp.

Watch this video on wechat .....

WeChat: The App That’s Always Watching You | China Uncensored

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMHwVU-8BHM&t=55s


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I would assume even back page is unsafe?
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So i arrived in Shanghai last night dropped my bags off and went outside for a smoke.  Standing on the street i was approched my a young lady asking if i wanted a message in my room. I kinda blew her off but exchanged wechats.  She was very presistant.

So my question is has anyone else experianced this?  Nothing was said on wechat.  Is it "safe"?
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@Jayree
Of course it is NOT safe. There is always a residual risk.; take it or leave it.
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Fellow Mongers,

I have been contacted by one of the ladies who used to advertise on the Shanghai Nightlife Guide. A new site has opened -- https://nightlife.online/

The situation in Shanghai is still too hot for my liking. Please use caution and visit the site (and the city) at your own risk.

PS. Here was the message (in verbatim) I received

"Hello all. This is the new webpage for all client had used SNL before. In the beginning it not have so much girl but more will coming soon. Hoping all of you can support our page again. And don't be worry about because this webpage connective and using all rules same SNL.

Let login and see what can surprise you ! Have fun ! "

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Does anyone know if Redhouse Sauna is still open? I went last Spring, hope that sort of place are still open for business.
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Reply #19 christpunchers's post

Not open,  and likely not anytime some,.
Some saunas are open but it is still very risky,  two days ago there was ago there was a raid in hongkou.

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