I've only been back on SA in HK for a couple of weeks and seen to be getting there though have yet to meet as I tend to chat (off SA) for a while longer to screen the fakes and pyschos.  Also I also do a meet and greet no cash/no commitment 1st drink/coffee to further screen - if they want cash for a coffee, I move on to the next. When getting to details on other messaging apps, I am testing the water with "last time I used this format, the gift was HK2k to have a date and spend the night so understand it will need to be a bit more" All seem okísh with suggestion of nice dinner and HK2.5-3k but time will tell...........

So far I have agreement to do this with about 4 (2 Asian, 2 Western) and have dumped another 2 for different reasons:

A - 30yr Western confirmed 5k for full overnight but is leaving tomorrow for 3 months so don't have time to follow my process and a bit pricey for the age I think
P  - 22 yr Asian graduate- whinged a bit at initial 2k saying "3k last time I did this" to which I, nicely counters "ok with a nice dinner and overnight" but she gave another bitchy reply so dumped her with a "enjoy your pretend non-prostitute existence" maybe a bit harsh but she deserved it. She was pretty bitchy and egotistic all the way through.

Have my 1st date coffee with a 24yr Asian student tomorrow and a 1st date drink with a 31yr Western Friday so will see how I go and report.  Another 2 1st dates agreed for next week.

Edit - just realised no rating on this thread so see photos for SA names

[ Last edited by  aurufc at 22-11-2017 17:05 ]

Perhaps I just don’t have the patience for the screening required here. I’m glad it’s working out for you!

I am not a frequent user of SA, but have closely followed the member's recounts where possible. As a person who frequents HK and the Bay Area (San Francisco, San Jose, and every city in between), SA proves to be too pricey because of the inflation in these two prime areas.

I usually have a budget of $200-$400 USD, yet the few times I have tried for SF I get replies with outlandish offers ($500 or above). Do you guys have any suggestions or shall I stick with the limited AMPs?

You are experiencing supply and demand in the Bay Area.  There's a reason why they call it Man Francisco and Man Jose.  Lots of tech money and limited amount of females.  Also I'm reading on reddit about the college girls in those areas asking 8k to 10k USD per month to become someone's sugar baby.

I just wanted to share my experience.   I don't get out much so I don't have time to try and hit on women in the real world because I'm busy.  I tried a couple of times but ended up screwing up because my social game was weak.  So, I tried other dating sites like OKC and POF because I wanted to see what my market value was.  Let me say that I failed miserably because I didn't want to reveal too much and also on those sites you're competing with lots of other men who bombard women.  

The women on those sites especially in the States get lots of attention so you're normal dude like me has to work 10x as hard for very little return.  Frustrating but that's the game.  

Now I go to SA and the dynamics completely change.  The women are chasing you.  Mind you my profile is modest as well as my assets but its nice because I get to be the object that's pursued, and I get to flirt with women.  I might not be able to meet a SB because of extenuating circumstances, but at least I get some validation which is good for the ego that alone is worth the 80 bucks.

Stonecold,

Just cover your tracks like you would any other punt, and you will be fine.  Most guys on SA are married or have SO.
WTF is a successful, rich, good-looking SINGLE guy doing on SA?!   They should just be going out on regular dates, LOL!

Don't feel left out, give it a shot!

Just make sure these girls do not get possessive or look up your real world info.

[ Last edited by  jeffzeke at 23-11-2017 12:30 ]

Both girls look really HOT, I am interested to hear your experiences with them.

Stonecold,

All you need are three things .... 1.  Fake email 2. Gift Card to pay for the site and 3. A hobby phone to text and call.  Why do you think they upsell Hushed for 4.99 if husbands or bf's weren't using the site.

I joined at the start of this week and met someone for the first time today for an “unpaid” introduction, although I was happy to pay for lunch. I must admit I am impressed, she is of Asian ethnicity but educated overseas and in my view bloody hot!

Now for the interesting part of arranging a follow up compensated encounter. I’ll be aiming for under 3k but the little voice inside my head, which is undoubtedly controlled by LB, is saying 5k to pump her brains out is totally worth it.

Will post a follow up with how it goes and what the agreement was.

I've done 4 of my 1st date zero cash meet/greet drink in past 2 weeks(one ended up with w freebie bj which is a bonus) and 3 out of the 4 agreed to the HK3k for 1st overnight (for me that is 2nd date in my process) and if we continue HK7k per month for minimum of 3 nights - there's a trick there I'll describe in my proper report

Will convert at least one of these next week (time permitting) and then do a full SA HK Sit Rep

I got blackmailed!  Quick background, I am about 2 weeks new to SA.  

"You and I were posted on predatorsalerts.com/XXX-XXX-XXX for offering girls money online for sex. I used guaranteedremoval.com 833-873-0360 to get it deleted"

The website posted my:
-fake name
-G00gle throwaway # for punting which fwds into my burner phone
-profile picture of me ski suit with a full face covered up in helmet and ski mask (Mystery man)

I got this text fwd to my burner cell.  I guess someone got my g00gle voice/message (for punting).  I suspect I know who it is since I was being badgered getting access to my pictures recently.  The guilty does not have my locked pictures which has my face pictures.  This whole experience is starting to make me think about putting my real face picture down....but that would be more difficult to connect the women of SA.

Funny thing is, I never offered cash for sex on SA or via text.  If any, its the girls that do.  I copied a few of the common stuff you guys here wrote here and what everyone writes on SA...mutually beneficial, fun, discretion, blah blah....I want to get to know you better then move forward song & dance.... Also, I have been generally respectful to all the ladies on SA. I didn't have too much drama that I could think of.  2-3 ladies may got a peeved my face pictures were minimal.  Should I dump my throwaway # now?

This mongering game has its risk & rewards on any level.  Just be careful. Blackmail would suck for us.

Any advice or insight will be appreciated.

[ Last edited by  sirtiger at 5-12-2017 09:42 ]

It would be helpful to know the profile of your suspected SA Blackmail enabler.

Okay, understood.

How about any commonalities between your suspects?  From a certain City or Country?  In a certain Age Range?  Brevity of Profile Info?  Similar Join Date?

Your experience is horrible, and warning greatly appreciated.

Yes all and any other details you can give on your suspects would be greatly appreciated:

How many chats on SA / SMS
Example of the messages "badgering" you for photos
Where the pictures of them "too good to be true"
Did you do image search on their photos?
cost of this "removal service"

The bros really appreciate you sharing this info and it sounds really painful.  Potentially this is the next level of scam which always seems to hit the popolar "alternative" lifestyle sites once they reach a certain critical mass. Cyber-ransom is a buzz at the minute..........

I remember when the scammers hit adultfriendfinder 10 years ago.  If those days all they wanted was your email address as they had a friend in the Nigerian government who needed to get some cash out of the country

I'll try to answer this the best I can. Its possible I just had bad luck.  The good news is I am protected (see above) and there is almost zero damaged done to me.  SA or not, there is risk in the activities we do.  Its how we deal those risk/rewards and some luck mixed in.

As Jeffzeke alluded, SA is a lot of work, I mean a lot.  I believe the rewards are there and it has worked for me (I'll post reports when I get a chance).  If you just want a simple one hour session, just go to those listed sites like P411.  They have a business and reputation to uphold.

Simple answer for commonalities is if you go for the low hanging fruit, your risk is the highest.  Flipside its the easiest to meet the girl for per meet.  They will message you one sentence and & to the point. Want to hang out? Can I be your SB? I want a FWB.  Text me at (insert cell #).  I made the newbie error of messaging them.  Some are pro and want a P2P session which will work for some of us.  I go past that and create a dialogue and get to know them a bit.  Most scammer/blackmailer won't spend the timer/energy going back & forth messaging each other. Once I get comfortable, I will move forward.

As I noted, I am about now 3 weeks new into SA.  Few dozen females clicked on requesting my private photos without messaging me.  I quickly learned to ignore them.  If their profile and pictures seem a bit normal, I will open a dialog.  Some have asked, why won't you let me see your picture?  I tell them I am a private person and it will take time for me to get comfortable.  The good ones will respect you and continue the conversation.  I respect the females too and do not badger them for pictures.  They have complained the pervs ask for nude pics and freaky requests.  Its a mutual respect with these girls.  Some are very highly educated, hot looking and are on a path of career success.  Depending what you are looking for, there are some real gems out there.

Funny thing I should note, the best girls I chatted up with do not ask me for pictures.  I am not sure if that is a unusual experience but that seem to hold true so far

I was a bit freaked out in the beginning but I see this as a learning experience.  So I fine tune how to deal with this crap.  Blackmail/Ransom is the new thing with social media environment.  I believe there are some laws in the states about revenge porn.  Then there is public shaming online and bullying people to death online.  All this crap isn't just a SA thing, its something we need to be aware of.

[ Last edited by  sirtiger at 7-12-2017 10:55 ]

To add to my rating comment, and I've mentioned this on various threads, I spend 2-3 weeks screening the crazies on SA and other messaging apps before any real personal details are shared or an initial meet/greet is arranged.

Its a valid point from bro siriter that scammers/crazies won't have the patience for extended dialogue.  Personally I also  ignore any unsolicited request for private photos and stop chatting if the 1st or 2nd message is all about an instant hook-up.

On a related topic, since I started using SA again a month or so ago I've had a number of "poor college student. If you deposit US20 in my paypal account I will do video sex with you". messages..........again these get deleted but I may start reporting them.  3 years ago when I was last using SA you simply didn't get these so it's another sign of the critical mass being reached so it's attractive numbers game to the scammers

[ Last edited by  aurufc at 8-12-2017 06:52 ]

For those who are on the fence about SA due to some of the negative stuff written, I still say it is potentially worth it for some.  The major hurdle is time & your budget.  If you want model level who can hold a intelligent conversation, fun & GFE, it will probably be a bit costly.  Of course, there is always the not so good looking older mother of 6 looking for a few quick bucks, sure there is a price for that.   Worth it is always arbitrary.  

If your time & budget allows, its very possible to have a nice rolodex of SB.  A lot of them are fine with per meet arrangement.

So I have a potential SB, met her twice 1 coffee date and 1 lunch date.  Made out on the second date.  Anyway, she's done with school now and has free time.  So I've been kik'ing her trying to make plans for this week.  I've sent her the time that I want to meet.  She responds to my kik messages sometimes 1/2 or 1 day later.  I'm not expecting immediate responses, but a simple confirmation shouldn't take long.  Should I stick around?

@victorDelta.... You're arranging to meet for sex in exchange for money. Not trying to land a girlfriend right? So what if her messages aren't timely. If she agrees to meet and shows up, ain't that what matters ......?

~UD

I noticed a massive influx is activity on SA (USA), its almost comical.  Some people are hard up for holiday cash.  Student need $$ for tuition.  Others need money to travel.  A few asked for a place to stay in major US cities for holiday vacation!  Do I look like a travel agent?  bwhahahhaaa

[ Last edited by  sirtiger at 12-12-2017 09:40 ]